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Radarsite: re: An Open Letter to RCP: More ComplaintsNote From Radarsite:Below is a copy of an email which I sent to the editors of RCP on 22 October. I have yet to receive a reply. Now, after reading two articles about this same problem on RCP -- one of them on the Front Page! -- I have decided to make th... Dateline: 2008-10-23 3:19pm PT (422 words)
Note From Radarsite:
Below is a copy of an email which I sent to the editors of RCP on 22 October. I have yet to receive a reply. Now, after reading two articles about this same problem on RCP -- one of them on the Front Page! -- I have decided to make this email public. As much as I value RCP, I feel that it is only fair to those of us who submit on a regular basis to continue to have faith in your editing system. As I wrote in my original email, I will happily post your reply to Radarsite. - rg
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I am forwarding an email I received from a friend and fellow blogger, M. Evidently, this problem has been going on for a while. I am intimately acquainted with M's work as we contribute to each other's blogs.
There have been allegations made, mostly rumors, but enough of them to be troubling, that RCP is actually being monitored by an Obama agent, and that if anything overly critical about the Obamas is posted to RCP it will be immediately taken down.
So far I have refrained from getting involved in this controversy as it was still in the unsupported rumor stage,
However, given what is happening with my friend M, I am becoming more and more concerned.
This cannot be true can it? It would seem impossible.
If you choose to refute this rumor here, I will gladly forward your response to all those friends and associates who rely on the integrity of RCP.
As for my friend M, I can only hope that you will be kind enough to give her some explanation for what has been going on with her disappearing articles.
I am forwarding a copy of this inquiry to the appropriate RCP editors.
I trust you and await your response.
Best wishes,
Roger W. Gardner
Radarsite
----- Original Message -----
From: m
To: "Roger Gardner"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: More down at RCP
There have been allegations made, mostly rumors, but enough of them to be troubling, that RCP is actually being monitored by an Obama agent, and that if anything overly critical about the Obamas is posted to RCP it will be immediately taken down.
So far I have refrained from getting involved in this controversy as it was still in the unsupported rumor stage,
However, given what is happening with my friend M, I am becoming more and more concerned.
This cannot be true can it? It would seem impossible.
If you choose to refute this rumor here, I will gladly forward your response to all those friends and associates who rely on the integrity of RCP.
As for my friend M, I can only hope that you will be kind enough to give her some explanation for what has been going on with her disappearing articles.
I am forwarding a copy of this inquiry to the appropriate RCP editors.
I trust you and await your response.
Best wishes,
Roger W. Gardner
Radarsite
----- Original Message -----
From: m
To: "Roger Gardner"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: More down at RCP
RCP has removed everything since noon on the 21st. One this am got > about 14 votes and then disappeared. I have one up now with 6 votes. > We'll see. It somewhat diminishes my enthusiasm to post.> > Just an FYI.> > M
An update from Radarsite: I just deleted an anonymous comment critical of RCP. Radarsite will not be accepting anonymous comments on this subject. RCP is an essential part of our blogging network and I do not take pleasure in challenging their integrity. If I can put my name on my comments to or about RCP, then you can too.
Roger G.
8 Lawsuits Filed on Obama Birth Certificate IssueIt is my understanding that this article was unfairly removed by RCP. I am therefore reposting it under Radarsite's banner. We shall see...
Submitted By Dodgerg - Oct 23, 8:03 pm
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Yes, someone has removed my posted info about 8 states suing for Obama birth documents -- 5 times in 2 hours, and even removed from the 'over 10' list. User accounts are also deleted -- am on my third account now.
ReplyDeleteThe first questionable incident I noticed occurred when a pro-Obama video was listed for several hours on the front page of RCP in the Reader Article section -- a post that had received only 4 votes.
Who is responsible, do you know?
Thanks, independentvoter
And if they really don't like what you wtite they will fool around with your account so you can't sign in. I'm on my third handle there now. But for how long?
ReplyDeleteI just deleted an anonymous comment critical of RCP. Radarsite will not be accepting anonymous comments on this subject. RCP is an essential part of our blogging network and I do not take pleasure in challenging their integrity. If I can put my name on my comments to or about RCP, then you can too.
ReplyDeleteRoger G.
Thanks Roger. Heard another had his front page post removed today - Berg lawsuit - and his account was deactivated.
ReplyDeleteThe stories are mounting.
I appreciate your bringing the issue to light.
Re anonymous comments: Have you noticed the large volume of these lately?
ReplyDeleteAbout 3AM central time, I captured a PDF of the Webpage for the Most Voted Last 7 Days list where I held 2nd place. I am AmericanUnclassified on the RCP. Go look at that page now, mine and several below it are deleted. I have several days worth of captures showing this problem and I also reported this to the Webmaster at the RCP Website, but have had no response. This is the second time that a series of hackings of this site has gone on in October that I am aware of. I have also seen polling results not be reflected on the home page or electoral page accurately. I am an Internet services provider and I have identified several potential vulnerabilities with the Website design there. The link here is to the Most Voted PDF as of 3:00 AM CT on Oct 23.
ReplyDeletehttp://64.37.107.199/rcp/mostvotedlast7days.pdf
I feel given these frequent problems, we cannot rely on the RCP Website for an accurate forcast or reflection of reader reactions.
Thanks for posting this.
Thank you for keeping us posted about this problem. I certainly hope that RCP will provide an answer as it doesn't look too good.
ReplyDeleteAs you know, few pro-Obama posts ever get ten votes and make it to the front page. Lately I have seen pro-Obama posts make it to the front page with only two or three votes. I thought it was RCP trying to provide some balance, but given the other posts, I would say that a hacker has gotten into the RCP website. They need to get on this pronto.
ReplyDeleteWow! I noticed this earlier today when I went looking for the articles I read yesterday in order to get the links so I could get an update today. I thought I was going crazy...
ReplyDeleteDo we still live in America??
I had a few posts deleted. Sent an email asking if it was something I said.. no response. They were all on the same subject (API) so I just don't try to post those articles on RCP anymore. I figure it's their site, their rules.
ReplyDeleteWe know now that this is just not aimed at a couple of us.
ReplyDeleteI think hacking is a probability. I noticed that at least one of the articles with only 4 votes on the front page was courtesy of "gadfly," and it was a very anti-American, anti-military video.
I just had my account took away at RCP. My password would not work. I tried to get new one from RCP, got it, it wouldn't work. I had to get a new account under different name and e-mail address.
ReplyDeletedidn't Time-Warner buy RCP a while back? If so, does anyone wonder why anti-Obama posts would be delted
ReplyDeleteS Roberts - screen shots - great idea.
ReplyDeletenot a dem anymore: you are in good company :-)
ReplyDeleteGerard, I had no idea RCP was owned by the likes of Time-Warner.
ReplyDeleteI can see our posts continuing to be taken down, then everything back to normal after Nov. 4...if this is true, or if anyone similar to Time-Warner owns RCP.
not a dem -- try deleting the cookie for the RCP Website. Then create a new account. Here is instruction for Microsoft Internet Explorer:
ReplyDeletehttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/278835/
You should find a cookie with a name that includes realclearpolitics in it.
Found other references as far back as a year ago where restrictive and biased content allegations against RCP surfaced but they were resolved a few days later. The contact at RCP is the same one I have communicated to this year, David Russell email address on the Website is webmaster@realclearpolitics.com
ReplyDeleteHe gets a lot of mail, so re-send the request if you don't hear back. Also if you use the same or similar email address to try to create accounts, they may get automatically blocked.
This explains everything.
ReplyDeleteWow. Seems like we have a lot of company, doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments. Radarsite will stay on this as long as necessary, or until I am deleted.
To S. Roberts: I sent that first email to David Russell. That was yesterday. I'll resend it. Thanks.
rg
Roger,
ReplyDeleteOn October 11th I posted an article entitled, "Ten Minutes And Fifty-Two Seconds Of DAMNING Truth About Obama: The Game Changer" at 4:29 PM. Between 10:30 and 11:00 PM, after garnering 38 votes at RCP, the article was scrubbed.
I posted another article entitled, "Real Clear Politics Scrubbed Article About Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuit" shortly after I discovered the removal.
In the wee hours of the morning that article was also scrubbed.
My blog has been under attack by an Obama troll named "Gerald" whose IP address indicates "he" is located in Centreville, VA.
What in God's name is Obama hiding? What are the PODS afraid of?
Thanks for staying on this, Roger. You're a great American!
Oh crappers. RCP is the one place I found where I was picking up news that isn't kissing Obama hiney from posters with consistent integrity.
ReplyDeleteI wondered what was up with the Pro Obama articles floating up with only 3 votes. I don't care if there are pro Obama articles that get genuine reader attention and response, but something is very weird.
Stay on it guys. The games are getting crazier by the minute!!
I'm brand new to this blogging thing, but my experience with RCP is a little curious.
ReplyDeleteThe very first article I posted got 10 votes pretty quickly. I thought that was pretty cool for my first time out, not knowing anyone.
The next three got no traction and disappeared by the next day. Could certainly be coincidence - I don't think I'm particularly controversial, and there's been a lot of fiery stuff lately. Or maybe I'm just a really crappy blogger.
Just thought I'd add my two cents. (If anyone is interested in what they may have missed coming from me, it's at http://nokoolaidjustgoldwater.blogspot.com/)
Thank you for posting all of this information, Roger. I'm quite new to RCP, so I certainly don't know how everything is really supposed to work yet. I've had a couple of posts deleted, also, but thought they somehow violated RCP policy. I wasn't sure how that could be, as they weren't salacious and I always put many links in my posts so I'm not just spouting off without facts to back me up. I can't remember what the first post was that disappeared, it was a couple of weeks ago. I do know that the post I put up about API definitely got deleted. The dumb part is, it wasn't an outright blast or swallowing of API's claims, it was more of questioning of that organization's legitimacy and a straight summary of the article with links to it and a couple of other skeptical bloggers' posts on the subject. I just find it odd that another person here posted that they had API articles deleted as well. I didn't have the wit to think to take a screen shot of that article posted, so I can't prove it. Does anyone know if RCP archives any Reader Articles after seven days? I did a search of my most recently popular article, which was #3 in the last seven day period and the article summary comes up at the top of the search results, but when it's clicked on, I'm taken to the recent seven day most popular, not the article itself. S. Roberts' screen shots shows my article (Lynn De Rothschild) in the #3 spot when she took that shot. My article may have disappeared because it was the seventh day (it was posted Oct. 16). If anyone else knows the ins and outs of when these things are deleted, that would help track it down. I know that both the API story and the Lynn de Rothschild posts were very popular, and quite honestly most of the readership came in off users' google searches or tag words on Wordpress and elsewhere, not RCP. It would interest me, though, if that de Rothschild article should have stayed up there for the rest of today. It would help me to know whether I should also contact the webmaster. For now at least, I'm going to take screen shots whenever I post an article in case it disappears. This whole thing is just another in a long line of creepy censorship and foul play that seems to be multiplying exponentially. Thanks again, S.
ReplyDeleteAs a former librarian, all I can say is Thank G_D for Special Collections and Archives!
ReplyDeleteThese incidents prove how easily a Ministry of Truth can change the truth. I've heard time and time again in different fields, "If you didn't write it down, it didn't happen." What happens when the paper you write it on (the blogs) can be changed or removed without your knowledge or permission?
I've noticed a couple of the articles regarding Obama's past mention that "such-and-such a newsletter by this-and-that socialist/communist organization at this time isn't available on the web." It's because these newsletters were printed/ xeroxed/ mimeographed (try explaining a "mimeo" to anyone under age 19) and were then sent to different people and organizations. Some of the organizations were libraries, who preserved them for later research. We need to work out a way to have these blogs and online newsletters converted to hard copy, something that cannot easily be tampered with or altered.
I hope all of you are keeping MULITIPLE printed copies of your blogs and seeing that they get archived with some organization, such as a local library or historical society. If you can arrange to have about 20 copies in geographically separate locations, there is almost 100% guarantee that at least one copy will survive any purging effort. Two examples of that:
1. We know about the discussions surrounding the implementation of the Final Solution as proposed at the Wannsee Conference, because of a copy of the Wannsee Protocol was found after the war. Of the 15 copies that were made, the other 14had been destroyed by the participants, but this one copy was overlooked.
2. The destruction of the Library of Alexandria was a cultural disaster. It was one that did not have to happen. Rather than having different books and scrolls copied, the Library bought entire collections. They saved money this way, but it often meant that sole copies of some works were only available at the Library. If their purchases included works the Library already owned, the extra copies were destroyed. When the Library was destroyed, so were the works.
Keep up the good work, people. And remember ... be careful out there.
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I haven't had a problem with posting to realclearpolitics.com's reader submitted articles (the place I go first everyday for much of my news) but I wanted to make you aware of political censorship at youtube.
ReplyDeleteI have personally witnessed 2 incidents with youtube censoring political speech by pulling heavily viewed videos that are damaging to Obama and Democrats.
Youtube and Warner Music censor political speech by pulling a video viewed over 1,200,000 times in 6 days on Mon, 9/29; "Burning down the house: what caused our economic crisis?" On Tues, 9/30, youtube pulled several repostings. By Wed, 10/1, youtube let it be reposted multiple times, some in its original form, and some with classical music, but all without the orig 1,200,000 views counted. Right now the new version is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4 and a copy of the original is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqbgcejIT_k.
Even worst, yesterday (10/23) youtube pulled a video with over 300,000 views ... video documenting Obama campaigning for Odinga in Kenya in 2006 (after Odinga lost Dec 27, 2007 presidential election in Kenya, Odinga called on supporters to "protest" ... 1500 people in Kenya have been killed, reportedly 800 Christian churches have been burned, 150,000 or more people have fled the violence and are displaced) Odinga signed a Memorandum of Understanding with a radical Muslim group before the election, hoping their support would give him the win. Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany. His oldest son is named for Fidel Castro.)
more info...
on youtube .... numerous Odinga-Obama videos, news footage of Obama campaigning with Odinga
*** this first video is the one youtube pulled
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0&watch_response
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvmmG7dQMLc&NR=1
Why was a U.S. Senator campaigning for a Kenyan presidential campaign in 2006? Particularly a candidate who promised to end Kenyan cooperation with the U.S. on the war on terror?
Why did Dick Morris go to Kenya to help Odinga "pro bono" with his campaign in Nov 2007?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyprn8P8FaU
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/raila-odinga-obama- campaigned-for-odinga-violence-after-loss/
"Under any circumstances the rioters had all of the characteristics of Muslim expansionists that the world has seen so often in the past 30 years. Christians were pulled out of their cars and killed if they were of the wrong religion. Their homes and businesses were burned. Young girls were gang-raped in front of their parents and siblings. Men were 'circumcised' with machetes while captive crowds were forced to watch. Limbs were hacked off, both men and women were sexually mutilated in the streets and left to die.
It is estimated 1,500 died. The result was the exodus of 150,000 people from their homes. An attempt to purify Muslim/Luo areas and establish control. [also 800 Christian churches burned]
More importantly, Obama campaigned for a candidate who had the stated objective of dismantling US & Kenyan government efforts to root out Al Queda and other terrorist organizations-organizations that had already caused the deaths of hundreds of Americans and Africans in embassy bombings."
Mob Sets Kenya Church on Fire, Killing Dozens
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/world/africa/02kenya.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7169009.stm
Odinga urged his supporters to "protest" after he lost the election by over 200,000 votes. They continued to protest until he was given the role of Prime Minister by the newly elected President.
In Kenya, Violence Shakes Running Community
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/sports/othersports/13runners.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/L/Longman,%20Jer&
For the second time in as many years I have been what equates to banned from RCP as my account has been rendered inactive for the 2nd time and two recent 'Obama' posts have been removed from RCP.
ReplyDeleteThe first was 'Obama and DNC Fight Citizenship Inquiry' and the second was 'Worth Repeating: Obama Citizenship Still in Dispute'
Some have attributed these actions to hacking and others to RCP and now I see the Obama agent allegation. I simply view it as intentional. I also lay the responsibility on RCP to which I add it is their site and they can do what they want but silence on the matter annoys me to no end. A fellow blogger has encouraged me to continue posting through a new registration et.,, but I have not decided.
I'll monitor this site to keep up with the news on this topic as well as other places.
Just thought I'd add my two cents. Okay there's a financial crisis, would you take a CDO aka, collateral debt obligation.
Hey Roger, great piece.
ReplyDeleteI also had a piece removed from RCP, and when I tried to resubmit it, I recieved a message saying it was submitted by two others and was waiting moderator approval...it was never put back up.
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/not-all-blacks-are-voting-for-obama.html
Seems that RCP does have someone using their own agenda in deciding what can and what cannot be shown.
New at RCP:
ReplyDelete--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Radarsite to Real Clear Politics: Hello? Anybody Home?
What could be more ironic than the fact that the article that we posted to RCP to protest their suspect editorial procedures should presently be the Most Voted article at RCP with 62 votes?
Submitted By Dodgerg - Oct 24, 6:30 pm 4 votes |