tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post3806940176929595815..comments2023-10-31T07:08:49.579-07:00Comments on RADARSITE: The Same Game, Different PlayersRoger W. Gardnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-68221430578211481672008-04-06T13:40:00.000-07:002008-04-06T13:40:00.000-07:00Here, here!! I wholeheartedly agree KG. A damn fin...Here, here!! I wholeheartedly agree KG. A damn fine comment Shawmut. Worth saving for future reference.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-65788256698315415362008-04-06T13:31:00.000-07:002008-04-06T13:31:00.000-07:00What Shawmut said. A damn fine comment.What Shawmut said. A damn fine comment.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-76574641738758738882008-04-06T13:18:00.000-07:002008-04-06T13:18:00.000-07:00I'm less concerned about the comparison of which o...I'm less concerned about the comparison of which of two enemies are discriminated against.<BR/>In posing the question, "The same game, different players?", I would ask that we not fail to include the principal team, The United States.<BR/>What many of us fail to accept is the fact that in a hostile situation, there is a duty to provide security to, not only its citizens, but those within its borders (the latter, which might be internship, might appear onerous, but it reduces the distraction of civil strife within our borders from the front lines).<BR/>The duty of a country at war, declared or not, is to win; that means to defeat an enemy to the ultimate degree. Oddly enough, it is more humane to do it thoroughly and quickly.<BR/>Imposing the counter-intelligence state upon a country is a serious matter. There are sacrifices. It may seem harsh, but the seaman manning a turret on the Arizona witnessed the harshness of war.<BR/>'Americana' has been bleaching its colors in guilt for so long that it has failed to recognize the fact that it is the United States collectively that they represent. The more we declare ourselves one country, there seems to be a scurry to find and grant exceptions to unique elements.<BR/>Today, the work of LtCmdr. Ringle would cost him what it has recently cost Major Stephen Coughlin, USAR, (Pentagon attorney expert on Islamic Affairs); his job.<BR/>Going back to the counter-intelligence state; exceptions cannot be indulged. Conflict is difficult enough without being interferred with by citizens who claim conscience while tightrope-walking on shredded ethics and morals; where complacency is more a practice than a mood and the line of least resistance is drawn in the ink of denial.<BR/>As I have cited on my site, I happen to be a 'gay' male, (nothing dramatic, a mere reality) but above all my identities is that of being an American. I mention that only to manifest that differences of a person do not exempt me from the duty to my country; I will accept with you, what sacrifices we must make. And I will share with you what efforts we must make. I will alert you to the condition of my health, as it could affect yours, It is my duty.<BR/>Today, the bravest Americans will be heard and seen among those who will not fear being cited as not-politically correct, who will face up to errors of 'lemmingism', and stop selling guilt like snake oil.<BR/>Let's face it, with the exception of Native Americans (think Ira Hayes) we've done quite well by those who have come here from foreign shores. But they came to join us, not subvert us, not to dwell separately apart from us, not to emasculate us and certainly not to defeat us. They certainly didn't come here towatch us defeat ourselves.<BR/>Again, I'll address your query. One of the same, and the principal player is the United States.David Barry O'Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08331007985962351381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-91111862899868961872008-04-06T12:59:00.000-07:002008-04-06T12:59:00.000-07:00Great points MK. You're exactly right. This fits i...Great points MK. You're exactly right. This fits in with what Francis P. proposes. We faced similar challenges with the Italian American population and its acceptance of the Mafia and that whole "keeping quiet" mentality. In that case the answer was RICO. RICO destroyed the image of invulnerability of the Mafia.<BR/>Why, I wonder, can't we use the RICO statutes for suspected terrorists and/or their sympathizers? <BR/>Once again, it always comes back to the same thing -- lack of will.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-12001996953705935112008-04-05T23:21:00.000-07:002008-04-05T23:21:00.000-07:00Thank you Ben. Your passion and your insight are a...Thank you Ben. Your passion and your insight are always welcome here.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-55618414791145529642008-04-05T21:37:00.000-07:002008-04-05T21:37:00.000-07:00Good points, as usual Findalis.I would only add th...Good points, as usual Findalis.<BR/>I would only add this. Given the choice between underreacting (our present stance) and running the very real risk of being overwhelmed by an alien culture; or overreacting and facing the possibility of more liberal criticism, I will happily opt for the latter.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-84865798724410126632008-04-05T21:27:00.000-07:002008-04-05T21:27:00.000-07:00I agree that Muslims have to assimilate into US So...I agree that Muslims have to assimilate into US Society. They don't have to give up their customs, many groups have joined into US society and have not given up their customs or religion.<BR/><BR/>And I wish that those Muslims in our nation who <B>are</B> moderates like my neighbors would speak out against the radicals. But as they told me, if they did the radical elements of their faith would kill them. It is silence by coercion, and the bullies are winning!Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-27307851106308944422008-04-05T20:58:00.000-07:002008-04-05T20:58:00.000-07:00Thank you Findalis for your comments.However, nowh...Thank you Findalis for your comments.<BR/>However, nowhere in that article did I advocate "rounding up Muslims". I did attempt to throw some much needed light on an old and gravely misunderstood controversy and show at least some of the rationale behind it -- which is being purposely ignored in order to throw more mud at the image of the United States.<BR/><BR/>I have left it to others to judge the degree to which those issues we faced in 1942 resemble the issues we face today.<BR/><BR/>I would not be too worried about our government acting out against our Muslim population -- or, indeed, even attempting to classify them in any way as to their loyalty. Muslim Americans are too deeply imbedded in our own government and in the halls of power to allow such a thing to happen.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, our present -- and seemingly our future -- government has not even found the will to identify and deal with the purported twelve million illegal aliens who are in this country right now. <BR/><BR/>My question would be this: Right now there seems to be nothing at all that we can do about the problem of unassimilated (or falsely-assimilated) Muslims, with possibly divided allegiance, in our midst-- which is nonetheless absolutely real and growing. We have yet to find anything between these two extremes of the Internment Camps of 1942 and the provisions for more foot baths in 2008. There is, in my view, something terribly wrong with this picture.<BR/><BR/>Realistically speaking, there is so much that we CAN do right now to protect ourselves from this growing internal menace. We have legal remedies that are currently "on the books" which could greatly enhance our security -- IF WE JUST HAD THE WILL TO IMPLEMENT THEM.<BR/><BR/>So far our only answer has been to appease and compromise as the threat continues to increase.<BR/><BR/>This is the reality we live in. And this is what "scares me".Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-19316395955682831732008-04-05T20:28:00.000-07:002008-04-05T20:28:00.000-07:00The trouble is that there is not one nation that w...The trouble is that there is not one nation that we are fighting against. We are fighting against an idea, a religion. Are all Muslims to be suspect? What about those who are more secular, even those who have left the Muslim faith? A rounding up of Muslims smacks of an evil to me, like the Nazis rounding up Jews. It scares me. Because if they can do it to the Muslims, then they can do it to <B>anyone</B> they don't like.<BR/><BR/>But I smile with joy at the mention of the 442. Those men were the best the US Army had, and suffered the casualties to prove it.<BR/><BR/>If only American Muslims would show as much patriotism....except my Pakistani neighbors who's oldest boy has joined the US Marines. <B>Semper Fi!</B>Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.com