tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post2853728096465635560..comments2023-10-31T07:08:49.579-07:00Comments on RADARSITE: From Other Sites on the Line: 7 May 08Roger W. Gardnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-63876586445487022162008-05-13T02:17:00.000-07:002008-05-13T02:17:00.000-07:00Anonymous's spew is fecal matter. 3:7 informs us t...Anonymous's spew is fecal matter. 3:7 informs us that Allah's commands are contained in clear verses. Ibn Kathir's tafsir of that verse tells us that those clear verses are to be believed and carried out. <BR/><BR/>The commands contained in 8:39, 8:60, 9:29 & 47:4 are absolutely unmistakable. They are confirmed by several ahadith and by Ibn Kathir's tafsir. Those documents form a clearly congruent pattern which displays the reality of Islam. <BR/><BR/>The Noble Qur'an translated by Hilali & Khan and published by the King Fahad Complex for Printing the Noble Qur'an has copious translator's notes which make it's meaning abundantly clear. See the notes to 2:190 which is found here: <BR/>http://www.qurancomplex.com/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?nSora= 2&l=eng&nAya= 190# 2_ 190<BR/><BR/>It is unwise to accept anyone's claims at face value. Always dig into authentic sources for verification. My web site contains links to those sources for your convenience.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01975775791961343435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-33909125268467733082008-05-12T15:01:00.000-07:002008-05-12T15:01:00.000-07:00Agreed.Agreed.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-83540679055457184802008-05-12T12:43:00.000-07:002008-05-12T12:43:00.000-07:00Now you know why I won't allow Anonymous postings....Now you know why I won't allow Anonymous postings. If one doesn't have the courage to at least use a pseudonym when posting, then one is a coward.Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-54701754429932124182008-05-12T12:33:00.000-07:002008-05-12T12:33:00.000-07:00Finally and somewhat reluctantly Radarsite has dec...Finally and somewhat reluctantly Radarsite has decided to no longer allow "Anonymous" commenters. If I can post here -- and elsewhere -- under my real name, you can at least use a pseudonym when commenting here. <BR/><BR/>Also -- if your intent in commenting here at Radarsite is to defend Islam or to extol its virtues, you have definitely come to the wrong place.<BR/>Radarsite's main reason d'etre is to help defeat this evil and ruthless enemy, not to engage in gentlemanly debates with them. If you are looking for 'fair and balanced' treatment of this blood-soaked Religion of Peace, you won't find it here.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, to my friend Findalis -- your points, as usual, are right on target. Thanks again for you intelligent participation.<BR/>rgRoger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-54698759681945339652008-05-12T11:45:00.000-07:002008-05-12T11:45:00.000-07:00"You cannot read the Quran and think you can under..."You cannot read the Quran and think you can understand its context and social settings. Unless you are an Arab. Books like hadiths and Tafseers are even more difficult to understand for the non-Arab."<BR/><BR/>Now that's a load of Horse Hockey. It's like saying "Only an Muslim can fully translate Arabic." And of course the DoD and State bought this lie.<BR/><BR/>You don't need to be Muslim to understand the Koran. I understand it very well and find it a rambling book of inconsistencies and lies. It contradicts itself so many times that for a person to actually follow everything in the book, they would have to do double-think every minute of the day.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous is wrong. Islam says it's a religion of peace, but screams for war in page after page. Islam demands that it conquers the world and yet we mistake this, for it is a spiritual conquering. Shall we ask the people who live under Shar'ia law as Dhimmis how peaceful Islam is. People in Uzbekistan where a Christian's daughter (13) was gang raped, the authorities don't even consider it a crime. http://www.onenewsnow.com/Persecution/Default.aspx?id=111710<BR/><BR/>Or in England a woman was raped by a Muslim Immigrant. http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/nelsonnews/Nelson-man-charged-over-rape.4068063.jp<BR/><BR/>Or the Horror that Somalia is becoming because of Islam. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3908867.ece<BR/><BR/>Or the cases of fraud and theft that the Muslim community is doing in the US. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/05/on_mothers_day.html<BR/><BR/>Just 4 examples, a small sample, but these are just from today.Findalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881549378886491540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-73455844659287081042008-05-12T11:12:00.000-07:002008-05-12T11:12:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-86847244012350129252008-05-10T09:37:00.000-07:002008-05-10T09:37:00.000-07:00Thank you Bob, and welcome to Radarsite. And thank...Thank you Bob, and welcome to Radarsite. And thanks to Hans too.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-46591311840876075832008-05-10T09:20:00.000-07:002008-05-10T09:20:00.000-07:00I was originally on blogspot and still have an old...I was originally on blogspot and still have an old set of work there, but have abandoned it due to Google's anti-Christian bias. I was indeed led here by Hans cross post. I owe thanks to Ben and Hans for wonderful input to the community. This site also has a great deal to offer. Thanks for the article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-26924962916142379012008-05-09T20:31:00.000-07:002008-05-09T20:31:00.000-07:00You've been visited by a member of the VOX communi...You've been visited by a member of the VOX community, led here by a link in a cross post. See: <BR/>http://hansgruen.vox.com/library/post/why-islam-cannot-reform-by-roger-w-gardner.html<BR/>Our mutual friend Snooper also has a presence there.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01975775791961343435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-46065742525301887732008-05-09T16:06:00.000-07:002008-05-09T16:06:00.000-07:00Please those non-judgmentalists over to my blog. ...Please those non-judgmentalists over to my blog. I am anxious to deal with them.<BR/>http://judgeright.vox.com<BR/>start by reading my profile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-13055847659376256142008-05-09T16:03:00.000-07:002008-05-09T16:03:00.000-07:00I am as concerned about the right to my freedom of...I am as concerned about the right to my freedom of religion as anybody. But I think the vast majority of us can draw a line at violence or inciting to violence and with the injection of a the prerequisite that interpreting that to mean anything else, ie. illegal behavior, anti-behaviors stances such as anti-homosexual not including incitement to violence is never to be applied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-10873438238250869242008-05-09T14:53:00.000-07:002008-05-09T14:53:00.000-07:00Good point Judge Bob. I'd go for that.The only pro...Good point Judge Bob. I'd go for that.<BR/>The only problem of course is that once again we run into that same old problem of semantics: What defines pornography? What -- or who -- defines Evil? Is Evil, like Beauty, only in the eyes of the beholder? I believe that Islam is evil incarnate, and so do a lot of others around here; but could we ever put that into law? I certainly would love to see it. But I don't think we have the will to actually do it. Not yet anyway.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-90646235726353634702008-05-09T14:31:00.000-07:002008-05-09T14:31:00.000-07:00I have long believed the U.S. constitution should ...I have long believed the U.S. constitution should be amended to discount religions that purport to worship evil. Not any loose nefarious interpretation of evil, but real violent, deadly evil. Satan worship and religions that include the violence encouraged in the 'holy scriptures' of the Qu'ran are automatically included in this description. I think that is better than specifying one religion in our current concerns as I've seen some bloggers suggest. This way it deals with the entire mindset and not just one of the big fires.JudgeRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955393940240711513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-44818778759487440432008-05-09T10:29:00.000-07:002008-05-09T10:29:00.000-07:00Thank you Faultline. Informed and profound, as usu...Thank you Faultline. Informed and profound, as usual.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-22342824366964024982008-05-09T07:19:00.000-07:002008-05-09T07:19:00.000-07:00With regard to Johnson’s original argument:The U.S...With regard to Johnson’s original argument:<BR/>The U.S. Constitution does not insure, nor has it ever insured, a 100% secular society. Johnson might like to review "Exploring Constitutional Conflicts" at: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/estabinto.htm<BR/><BR/>“Two clauses of the First Amendment concern the relationship of government to religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. . . Although the clauses were intended by the framers to serve common values, there is some tension between the two. . . . At an absolute minimum, the Establishment Clause was intended to prohibit the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion, such as existed in many other countries at the time of the nation's founding. It is far less clear whether the Establishment Clause was also intended to prevent the federal government from supporting Christianity in general. . .”<BR/><BR/>Yes! These clauses were intended by the framers to serve “common values,” and those “common values” were and still are to the largest extent Judo-Christian values. <BR/><BR/>With regard to “the right wing, . . . constantly advocating the insertion of Christianity into American life and have been blocking gay rights.” Johnson has put the cart before the horse. The cornerstone of the foundation of America is based entirely on Judeo-Christians values. Revisionist history can’t wash with conservatives largely because, unlike Kool-aid drinkers, we are cognizant of our nation’s history!<BR/><BR/>Homosexual acts have traditionally been deemed a sin against nature by Christianity. Christianity doesn’t deny basic human rights for homosexuals and has always welcomed non-practicing homosexuals into the fold. In recent years, however, most mainline denominations and a growing number of Evangelical churches have tried to come to terms with the issue of homosexual acts. Currently there are a number of left-leaning denominations that have bent to secular political pressure and are now ordaining active homosexuals. Traditional Christians believe, however, that marriage should be limited to that sacred bond between one man and one woman. Christian belief and practice does not, however, preclude the secular option for homosexuals to redress the federal government for similar co-habitation benefits.Faultline USAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691318732494110768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-17922357459811323182008-05-09T07:16:00.000-07:002008-05-09T07:16:00.000-07:00Thank you Charlie. And Shawmut -- I think perhaps ...Thank you Charlie. <BR/>And Shawmut -- I think perhaps this posting was a little confusing and if so I apologize for that. This was a cross posting from Jihad Du Jour. Although the beginning comments are mine, the paragraphs that you quoted are from Jihad Du Jour.<BR/>Regardless, I think we'd all agree, it's the message that counts. Thanks again for your kind words.<BR/>rgRoger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-74864504032238567372008-05-08T21:03:00.000-07:002008-05-08T21:03:00.000-07:00Yet again we are compelled to parrot the following...Yet again we are compelled to parrot the following observation from a REAL prophet - Sir Winston Churchill - 109 years ago!<BR/><BR/>"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.<BR/><BR/>"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."<BR/><BR/>- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-19297648427168445342008-05-08T19:13:00.000-07:002008-05-08T19:13:00.000-07:00An exceptionlly concise breakdown, Roger.You made ...An exceptionlly concise breakdown, Roger.<BR/>You made a poignant observation, <BR/>" Then there is the website Muslims Against Sharia who argue that the Quran is not the literal word of Allah; that Islam, in its present form, is not compatible with principles of freedom and democracy; that Muslims must remove all the evil passages from Islamic religious texts; that there is no one religion that is superior to another; that Sharia Law must be abolished; that Seventh Century practices such as stoning, cutting off body parts, marrying and/or having sex with children or animals must be condemned; and hundreds of other suggestions to make Islam more like Christianity or Judaism."<BR/>To which I comment, then why Islam at all?<BR/>I remember when the Catholic Theologian, Richard McBrien, an advisor to Vatican II, wrote, "Do We Need the Church?"<BR/>John Cardinal Wright commented, "A more fundamental question is, do we need Richard McBrien?"<BR/>Could several billion souls each look into their individual souls and look at their world and say, "Do I need Islam?"<BR/><BR/>As to the media, I'll only offer the quote, <BR/>""In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell <BR/><BR/>Again, Roger, nice treatment.David Barry O'Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08331007985962351381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-86072652966524064382008-05-08T16:05:00.000-07:002008-05-08T16:05:00.000-07:00You're an interesting person Johnson. No, I don't ...You're an interesting person Johnson. No, I don't mind your comments at all. I welcome different points of view. Although I disagree with some of what you have said here, you have always been a gentleman and you have always stated you case clearly. It does seem as though we agree on most of the major issues. Keep commenting. It makes the discussion that much more interesting.<BR/>rgRoger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-71873361519932435722008-05-08T12:03:00.000-07:002008-05-08T12:03:00.000-07:00I enjoy reading this blog because of its well writ...I enjoy reading this blog because of its well written commentary on issues often not addressed by the mainstream media.<BR/><BR/>I consider myself a techno progressive transhumanist. Fiercely pro-scientific progress, fiercely pro-American.<BR/><BR/>I embrace technological change and I want the US to remain #1 in terms of military, scientific, and political pre-eminence, because the US is the best hope for a free and just world. I also think the US constitution is the most perfect document for the establishment of a free society.<BR/><BR/>At the same time, I'm fiercely anti-Islamic because their views on religious minority rights, scientific progress, secularism, and womens/gay rights all represent backward steps for humanity.<BR/><BR/>I'm also skeptical of the left because of their intrinsic desire not to use generalizations about 'oppressed' groups paralyzes them to the realities of the world. And because their simultaneous defense of Islam and gay rights strikes me as bizarre.<BR/><BR/>My comments on race and IQ are part of a belief that some of the world's problems can have biological roots (ie resentments and inequality between ethnic groups a result of genetic IQ differences) and cannot be solved until we recognize the underlying biological challenges that we face.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, I hope you don't mind my comments. I think there is actually much that we have in common but those issues fail to come up.Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585635503423590842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-68205812481579596392008-05-08T09:26:00.000-07:002008-05-08T09:26:00.000-07:00Johnson -- Once again I can only agree with part o...Johnson -- Once again I can only agree with part of what you write. <BR/>I for one feel that Christianity has been under siege for quite a while in this country and has been all but banned from the public square. And, contrary to what you describe as the Right's effective suppression of gay rights, I think that must of us feel inundated and overwhelmed by aggressive gay rights activism -- in our legal system, our media, our schools, and in our nervous, guarded, PC monitored everyday speech. We are subjected to gays French kissing on television and in our movies, and our innocent young children are being taught the inherent values of the gay life in their schools.<BR/>I'm sorry, Johnson, but although we may agree on the dangers of Islam, our views of present day America are almost exactly opposite from one another. And I feel little sympathy for your complaints. Quite the contrary: in my view, the way things are going, they are only getting worse for our traditional American values.<BR/>By becoming more and more non-judgmental, we are losing our moral compass and our strength of character. And, a Democratic victory in this fateful upcoming election could signal the fatal shot.Roger W. Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10255672744176037466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-34737935364295002752008-05-08T08:55:00.000-07:002008-05-08T08:55:00.000-07:00.. another " gem" Roger.. Well done.. another " gem" Roger.. Well doneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-35111232399646802722008-05-08T08:38:00.000-07:002008-05-08T08:38:00.000-07:00Great article and Findalis and Ben are correct. O...Great article and Findalis and Ben are correct. Our government continues to make nice with the ROP. Shame on them.<BR/><BR/>Debbie Hamilton<BR/><A HREF="http://www.righttruth.typepad.com" REL="nofollow">Right Truth</A>Right Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18274108313586611205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-65492873979681743862008-05-08T02:07:00.000-07:002008-05-08T02:07:00.000-07:00Findalis, the American Revolution began with a min...Findalis, the American Revolution began with a minority, roughly 1/3 favored it. It began with a handful of activists. <BR/><BR/>Get your Rabbi to hold a meeting, discuss the issue and seek a consensus. Ask each one willing to act to poll his family, friends and associates to see if any are informed or interested and willing to take part. Form a local network, communicating by email. Recruit new activists. Meet with other congregations and get them involved. <BR/><BR/>If your Rabbi is involved in an interfaith group, he could seek support from the Christians. <BR/><BR/>ACT For America, CVF, UAC & Fire Society are organizing and mobilizing. The UAC has a very active forum for exchanging news and strategy. <BR/><BR/>"Time, patience and perseverence accomplish all things." "He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved."Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01975775791961343435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5041404668013008872.post-88865618292946845622008-05-07T22:15:00.000-07:002008-05-07T22:15:00.000-07:00Great article Roger...I cannot add to what the oth...Great article Roger...<BR/>I cannot add to what the others already say...fidalis and Ben...but I will re-emphasize the fact that we don't get up off our chairs. I think that some day Americans are going to wake up and realize that some changes to our Constitution will be a necessity...you may not be able to change Islam but the Constitution you may...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com